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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.07 22:17:00 -
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ecause noone can aggro them, and if they choose to steal some nice drop, they will be away before they've even lost 50% shields because no mission runner carries a scram.
Then fit one.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.08 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jer Bu
Solution does not need to be complicated. Let me shoot at someone who salvages a wreck I created. Let me choose whether to engage or not. It might even force me to refit a little more PvP on my missions...Everyone wins.
The floating scraps that constitute the wreck are not yours. If you want to choose whether to engage or not, mission in lowsec or 0.0.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.08 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jer Bu
Everyone doesn't win in that case dumb dumb.
Can you explain how ninjasalvagers win in your example?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.05.29 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 29/05/2009 16:30:24
Originally by: Isakova
First off let me say, I've done it and I've had it done to me. Since resubbing my second account it's never an issue but my question is as follows.
Generally overpowered in EVE means far too easy to do, profitable/useful with very little risk. People are trying to get L4s pushed to low sec for this very reason.
People got Falcons nerfed for this reason. Webbers, drones too.
Ninja salvaging. Probing out deadspace is so easy newbies do it with great success. It doesn't flagging you to salvage another person wreck (I know CCPs stand on this, it makes sense) it is intentionally done in these unbalanced L4 missions (;)) because noone can aggro them, and if they choose to steal some nice drop, they will be away before they've even lost 50% shields because no mission runner carries a scram.
I don't know what to suggest as its a fun game mechanic, but its completely risk free, ridiculously easy to do, and in many cases highly profitable. L4 mission loot and salvage without the investment in ships / time / standing gains/losses to get them. I tried it with my second account while running an L4 mission and it was easy. This is far too open for abuse, and is getting to the point where theres 2 ninjas for every 10 mission runner in a hub.
Ninjasalvaging and ninjalooting IS imbalanced, you're right. But all the imbalance stems from level 4 missions. When missions get the nerf they deserve, ninja salvaging and ninjalooting will be nerfed.
Though missionrunners -could- carry a scram if they really wanted to.
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If I shoot, I die as his buddy warps in to kill me. A thorny dilema, shoot or not?
Should relearn the aggro rules there champ.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 00:00:00 -
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I don't know what to suggest as its a fun game mechanic, but its completely risk free, ridiculously easy to do, and in many cases highly profitable.
Sounds like another ridiculously profitable hisec profession that I can think of.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 05:48:00 -
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After all, the ninja salvagers are there for profit
lol wut
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.07.23 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aranis Nax
Oh hi, lvl 4 mission runner here  .
Anyway I wanna add an argument, that I haven't seen yet(not that I looked), to this here fine discussion of ninja salvaging.
an analogy to the real world(oh no terrible): ninja-salvaging is like someone stealing your car but leaving behind the contents(which is you, the paperwork, the gasoline, whatever else isn't explicitly part of the car...) and you calling Concord and them saying: "nope, can't arrest that guy for stealing your car, he didn't steal the contents."
I'd just want salvaging to either flag the salvager just like looting the wreck would or to have neither looting nor salvaging do so. Moar pvp consequences can't be a bad thing, right? Would be an excellent reason to start fitting a warp disruptor on mission running ship  .
That's the most pathetic analogy I've ever seen, because salvage isn't yours. A car is yours.
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